When Steve Bruce is asked if he remembers his last visit to the New Den, his face is an absolute picture.
In one respect, it was one of the happiest nights of his life as his Birmingham City side beat Millwall in the final minute to earn their place in the First Division play-off final.
While Stern John's memorable last-gasp winner kept Blues on course for the Premiership, it also triggered a shameful night of behaviour.
For Bruce and his men, as well as the small visiting brigade of Midland journalists and the 3,000 away fans, the priority became simply one of leaving the ground in one piece.
Although Millwall (not to mention many visiting supporters from other clubs) have long since been punished for the frightening manner in which their fans rioted that night, the memories linger on. All Bruce will say is: "Let's just hope we get the same result."
That ought to be accomplished with comparative ease, given Millwall's plight.
Having seen off the Premiership's backmarkers Sunderland on Saturday, Bruce's men have the chance to do the same to the team at the foot of the Championship table in tonight's Carling Cup fourth-round tie.
Bruce said: "Three years ago they were competing with us to get a place in the playoff final. Then they get to an FA Cup final 18 months later. It's amazing how quickly football can change."
Colin Lee's Lions are in a mess, propping up the rest after a nightmare start to the season induced by financial difficulties and the preseason sacking of their previous manager, Blues old boy Steve Claridge.
But Blues would do well not to under-estimate the Londoners' capacity to rise to the occasion.
Already this season Lee has returned to Molineux to see his low-budget outfit beat his old club Wolverhampton Wanderers, and only last weekend Millwall almost claimed another high-profile scalp . . . a 2-2 draw with Sheffield United which began the then Championship leaders' fall from grace.
The Blues dressing-room mood, in the wake of Saturday's win, suggests that the
league is the main priority. Having said that, Bruce will be emphasising to his players that, with a place in the last eight the reward for beating Millwall, and Chelsea already knocked out, the odds on Blues at last defying that old gypsy curse and winning some worthwhile silverware are shortening.
Bruce said: "Realistically, the only things we can win are the Carling Cup and the FA Cup.
"Let's face it," he adds with an ironic grin, "we're not going to win the league. Not with the start we've had! But this club is the only big-city club that have never won anything which is unique.
"And this gives us a chance. A good chance. We've got to beat Millwall to get into the last eight and that must give us an opportunity because, when it gets down to the last eight, anything can happen."
The fact that Blues - still second from bottom in the Premiership - go into tonight's tie boosted by Saturday's first league win in three months cannot do any harm.
Bruce said: "It's the quality of the people sitting on the bench thanks to our injury situation clearing up that has made the difference. When you've got the likes of Julian Gray, Jermaine Pennant and Walter Pandiani to bring on, then of course you have the capacity to change the game."